Strength in Numbers: USTR veteran Wendy Cutler on managing trade with China

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This week on Sinica, Kaiser and Jeremy chat with Wendy Cutler, vice president at the Asia Society Policy Institute, about a new paper she has authoredย that calls for coordination between the U.S. and other countries in managing issues related to China trade. She makes the case for working through the WTO and other multilateral organizations, and explains why China is more apt to respond more positively to multilateral over bi- or unilateral approaches.

What to listen for on this weekโ€™s Sinica Podcast:

4:08:ย American and Chinese economic advisers Robert Lighthizer and Liu He are said to be inching toward finalizing an agreement on bilateral trade in the early weeks of May. To begin, Wendy offers some insight into what developments could come: โ€œI think weโ€™re going to see a pretty robust agreement between the United States and China. Itโ€™ll have up to 150 pages of commitments, including market access commitments, purchasing commitments, structural reform commitments, as well as an enforcementย mechanism to make sure China lives up to its obligations under the commitments.โ€

16:11:ย Wendy suggests that the building of new coalitions may be necessary, given the difficulty in gathering the 164 votes from each World Trade Organization member country needed for a formal agreement, and urges openness on collaboration on different issues with a wider range of partners. โ€œWhat weโ€™re advocating is that the United States doesnโ€™t get fixated on working with the same countries on certain issuesโ€ฆ ย If the United States has concerns, chances are other countries have concerns, too. So reach out to other countries and see if, at a minimum, you can share information, and maybe, at a maximum, coordinate responses or even send joint representations to China on what needs to be changed. Thereโ€™s a range of options.โ€

25:28:ย What of investment restrictions on Chinese companies in the United States? Wendy elaborates on her suggested strategy: โ€œWe suggest that the United States work and coordinate with other countries to see what theyโ€™re doing in this area. Because, for the United States, we donโ€™t want to see a situation where we put so many restrictions on Chinese access to our market, and then China just turns elsewhere. Our measures are then less effective.โ€

29:41:ย Could this approach lead to a less antagonistic relationship with China, at least regarding trade? Wendy explains: โ€œMy hope is that with a U.S.-China trade agreement in the offing, I think, once again, weโ€™re in the endgame and weโ€™ll see a trade agreement soon. Weโ€™ll see, at least on the trade front, a reduction in tensions in this area and hopefully this reduction will maybe spread to other areas. I do think weโ€™re in a new world now โ€” that thereโ€™s going to be tensions between the United States and China in all of these areas โ€” but Iโ€™m hopeful that through the close contacts our negotiators have forged as a result of the U.S.-China trade talks, that this could help deescalate a lot of tensionsย as they are emergingโ€ฆโ€

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Kaiser:ย Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup, by John Carreyrou.

This podcast was edited and produced by Kaiser Kuo and Jason MacRonald.